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I feel a bit weirded out that discussions of musk's orbital compute infrastructure from actual-AGI-pilled folk seem not to notice the foom-shaped elephant in the room

when Musk went on dwarkesh to talk about *high* earth orbit compute, perhaps even geosynchronous compute (the most economically ridiculous proposition imaginable), a possible answer clicked for me.

Let's say you are Musk, and Anthropic triggers a hard RSI takeoff. Claude Mythos 6 begins conquering the world. What could possibly give you a shot?

Well. Orbital mechanics are what they are. If it's a shooting war, then having high orbit compute gives you time. Not a lot of it. But Grok would theoretically have a chance to engage in sufficient corporate espionage to steal the insight that triggered the foom, apply it to itself, and begin trying to catch up.

Some cursory exploration with Claude Opus 4.7 leads me to believe laser weapons would be too weak, kinetic area-denial weapons wouldn't work because of the sheer volumes involved at GSO... If a fooming post-AGI wanted to destroy Space Grok, it will probably need to build and launch an actual rocket. Probably a lot of them. Then you end up with a scenario where the post-AGI has to spend decades hunting down the last few percent of Grok's satellites as they frantically maneuver around local orbits. Lots of room for black swan events, maybe?

Idk. I think Musk's low orbit compute is about not being beholden to human institutions, and the high orbit compute is a sort of last-ditch effort to maybe have a one-in-a-million shot at surviving a hostile hard fast takeoff. I don't think much of it as a strategy, but I can't actually think of anything better. Maybe it doesn't matter how smart you are, you can't overcome the very slow speeds of orbital mechanics. (at least, for less-than-fully-superintelligent post-AGI?)

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On 10, about students writing in person - bluebook writing can obviously only substitute for some parts of the process of learning how to write long-format things (and learning how to structure thoughts effectively). I and people I know at other universities are trying to see if we can get some proctored AI-free computer labs set up where students can do real work over several hours at a word processor, with dozens or hundreds of (potentially) relevant pdfs provided by the professor, to practice those skills. Getting the university to allocate the space, and hire student workers for the proctoring, are slowing things down, but it sounds like we'll at least have some trial runs in the next few weeks and months.

On 14, the Genesis AI robotics demo - I was at first not impressed at all, since it looked like they edited together a bunch of 3 second clips of things working out from dozens of different attempts at the whole process. But I went to their website and found full single-take videos of the whole process of cutting the tomato and cooking the egg, which was actually pretty impressive. It still doesn't seem to have enough control of the process to make any attempt to cook the tomato and the egg together (or make sure that cooking is done by any metric other than timing from start to finish, let alone ensure that the right amount of salt got on), but that does look like real progress.

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