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nandwich's avatar

Paring down On Bounded Distrust to the extent that it can be stated briefly is really hard, mad props on the attempt. I think it could stand to be about a third again longer and much more convincing, though: without any specific examples in the post it's both unclear what "how to bounded distrust" looks like in practice and I'm also worried that to those who lack context the essay reads like it was written by an actual crazy person. (Capitalizing references/concept handles like Narrative, Bad People, and This Is Not A Coincidence doesn't help with not seeming crazy to people who don't get the references, and would probably be enough on its own to stop me from linking zero-context people to this explanation even if it had specific examples.)

"This leads to a situation of Bounded Distrust, which I analyze at length here. I then work through some examples here. If you want to think about the problem in detail, start at these links." Would read better to me if after the link to Bounded Distrust you gave a brief definition of what bounded distrust is, like "knowing which things you can trust people to tell the truth about" (obviously as a better writer than me you could give a better definition than this) so the reader knows what they're reading here and why it's supposed to be useful, instead of hoping they read until the Logical Implications section before knowing what the purpose is.

The "What Are The Rules?" section would be less jarring if it began with a one-sentence "What does it mean that the media rarely lies but is often deceptive?" or other better sentence that serves the same purpose of signposting to the reader what's going on and why they are now reading a list of rules.

"When the stakes are so high that the consequences could be seen as worth paying for either the reporter or the outlet, they might do that, which can be called Using the One Time. You must be extra careful." Would really benefit from a specific example, to seem less crazy to people just tuning in. A link and a one sentence description would work here.

"The reporter is allowed to lie in order to get the story, the way a cop can lie during their investigation. Both often do so." Would also benefit from a specific example to seem less crazy to people who are out of the loop.

"For each source at all levels, and each class of source, one must maintain a Translation Matrix that lays out what rules they can be assumed to be following." I'm imagining my mother reading as far as capital T capital M Translation Matrix before she closes the tab and thinks less of me for linking it.

"There is zero obligation for media to verify their source is not spouting Obvious Nonsense." As a longtime reader, I know how Obvious Nonsense is different from obvious nonsense (Obvious Nonsense isn't intended to look plausible, unlike obvious nonsense which presumably is) but if this is supposed to be low-context and linkable I think the lowercase letters work better.

I hope you found this useful and if not I hope it wasn't too annoying! Thanks for writing.

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Brian Moore's avatar

It sounds like incredibly annoying, tedious, thankless work - but it would fascinating to see a site dedicated to applying these rules objectively/neutrally to various news outlets. Not "debunking" style, but similar to how one might go about assessing a scientific paper: "it is possible the conclusion is true, but the data (for a newsstory: sources, logic, context, etc...) provided do not prove that is true, and also do not exclude other potentially more true conclusions, and here is why this is the conclusion they would like you to arrive at." Given that MSNBC gleefully points out misleading FOX articles, and vice versa, it seems like there's a market for that - but is there one for a both?

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