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It is important, reading this from the UK, to constantly remind myself that this is for the US. In the UK, I think the declinist narrative has a more direct claim to the pure economic facts. It's not the way some of my "it all went wrong in '73" friends claim, but straightforwardly the stagnation here is much more real on a pure economic level. Of course, in the UK we have much the same cultural shifts and changes in expectation, delegitimising or outright banning of cheaper options, etc., as I'm sure you're about to cover as the other half of the story in the US - perhaps we have it even worse. So, while coming to your nuanced position for the US, please do shed a tear for the UK. Basically imagine the US situation but with flat productivity and close to flat real wages since 2005.

About 12 years ago, a friend moved to Hungary, and an acquaintance to Poland not long after. I thought they were a bit mad, moving somewhere with such a lower standard of living. Now I'm wondering if it's a bit mad not to join them.

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A couple of other people touched on the vibes of non-developed countries, specifically about going from UK to Poland.

I'll corroborate this - I've spent a lot of time overseas, and moreso lately, and spending time in Peru or Vietnam or Singapore or Malaysia is just a whole different vibe and feeling. Things are prospering and improving, average people are largely happy, new buildings are getting built, standards of living are good or improving.

And every time I come back to the US? It's all doomerism and despair and costs going up and groceries costing twice as much and people feeling like the world is on fire. A big part of that is politics, sure - everyone hates ~half the country and wants to talk about nothing else, which is a big part of WHY I spend most of my time overseas. But also it's inflation and housing and healthcare and all the other stuff.

And on the Exchange insurance - good lord is it ridiculously bad!

The ACA shouldn't be considered "health care" in my opinion. I retired young about 4 years ago and my COBRA from my last company finally ran out ~2-3 years ago, so I had to look for an ACA plan.

Literally every single plan available leaves you uncovered in every state but your home state. You are uncovered in 98% of states in the US with any available Exchange plan, AND it's illegal / impossible to just buy multiple plans in multiple states so you have coverage.

What? So plebs who have to buy on the Exchange never travel? They never live or work in different states? They'd better not if they don't want a medical bankruptcy!

That's just the tip of the iceberg too, IMO. There's a reason the entire nation was applauding when an insurance executive got assassinated.

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