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"Meanwhile, here in New York, we cannot even do full genetic screening and embryo selection for traits that are actually good, because ‘ethicists’ say it would be ‘eugenics.’"

I've never heard of this ban. Is it true?

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That's what I've been told. If it isn't, someone please point me to who is willing to do it.

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Go to NJ or CT? Genomic Prediction is headquartered in New Jersey, for what it's worth: https://www.lifeview.com/our_tests.html

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A lot more expensive (in various senses) than you'd like, but yes it is possible.

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I think the craigslist thing is a reference to a tweet from one of those statue trad accounts using the same phrasing to describe a cathedral, which was widely mocked. See variants: https://twitter.com/search?q=%22We%20can%E2%80%99t%2C%20we%20don%E2%80%99t%20know%20how%20to%20do%20it%22&src=typed_query&f=top

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I hesitate to comment on this topic because this is one of those toxic ones on the internet where the vast majority of people can't be reasonable with people they disagree wtih, but I'll see how it goes:

>Dog lovers should support such a ban most of all. Allowing actively dangerous dogs ruins it for everyone. It is not reasonable to expect me to differentiate whether your dog in particular is harmless, or set a policy that relies on that distinction. And if someone has even one bad experience with any dog, they’re likely going to be poorly disposed on all dogs for a very long time.

I'm extremely skeptical of this entire discussion. The main problem is that I think we have an _extremely_ poor understanding of the problem such that we have absolutely no idea whether or not a ban would be at all effective.

A) "breeds", especially in the bully/pit part of the dog spectrum are _extremely_ nebulous and fluid such that reporting on breeds is, in my opinion, completely untrustworthy and means that such a ban would impact a really huge number of dogs. So, when we say things like "there were 5 dog attacks this year in the UK, we have _no idea_ what the denominator of that number is. Did 5 dogs out of a few hundred attack someone? That seems really bad! Was it 5 dogs out of 10,000? Hmm, that seems less bad.

Furthermore, while I am sympathetic to the argument that some dog breeds have been bred to be more violent (breed characteristics are absolutely a real thing), I am also very skeptical of how strong this really is. Individual dog variability, even within a well defined breed, is very high, and no amount of cute clips of pointer puppies pointing gets around this fact, and in breeds that are less well defined and have lots of mixing (like most pit/bully breeds), this is even more true.

So to summarize, i think that breed bans are poorly defined, the problem is poorly understood, and the statistics are garbage.

I want to make it clear that I am not trying to make the argument that "all pit/bully dogs are actually complete sweethearts" like many defenders make online. The fact that the statistics are garbage precludes this argument just as much as it precludes the argument that they are all vicious killing machines.

If people are serious about this problem and actually want to improve it, then they need to be pushing for more information and a better understanding of what's actually going on.

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>Furthermore, while I am sympathetic to the argument that some dog breeds have been bred to be more violent (breed characteristics are absolutely a real thing), I am also very skeptical of how strong this really is. Individual dog variability, even within a well defined breed, is very high, and no amount of cute clips of pointer puppies pointing gets around this fact, and in breeds that are less well defined and have lots of mixing (like most pit/bully breeds), this is even more true.

Then why is a relatively tight grouping of dogs we're talking about here? It's not pitbulls and golden retrivers and cocker spaniels. Most of the variation in dog aggression is between breeds.

And breeds are mixed in a highly non-random way on average, and so again most of the problem can be traced back to a relatively small cluster of breeds. They aren't all just jumbled together to the point that we can't make any statements about types of dogs being more dangerous than any other.

>If people are serious about this problem and actually want to improve it, then they need to be pushing for more information and a better understanding of what's actually going on.

Do you have actually have some evidence showing that things are as uncertain as you're claiming? Maybe you're right, but you sound exactly like the 'pitbulls are innocent nurse dogs' crowd who most certainly do not.

Weird that you bring up clips of cute pointer puppies, considering all I ever see are 'clips of cute pit bulls' "protecting" babies being used as proof that pit bulls would never hurt a fly.

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I've known 3 pit bulls, and all I can say is that they took after their owners more than any other dogs I've known. In these cases, that was good, because they had generally nice owners. But they weren't as "doggy" as most other dogs I've known, if that makes any sense?

I don't doubt that "breeding for aggression" can be a thing, but my personal theory is that a fair chunk of what makes them good fighting dogs (in the wrong hands) is that they've got an ability to suppress their dog instincts and do whatever their owner wants them to do.

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"They've got an ability to suppress their dog instincts and do whatever their owner wants them to do."

How does that account for the cases in which pit bulls or bullies have killed their owners, or their owner's child, or random child who walked into their owner's house? Presumably that isn't doing what the owner wants.

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I don't know. Like I said, I have only 3 data points. Maybe I've seen atypical examples. Maybe my friends are atypical. Maybe my friends knew something about training dogs, or pit bulls specifically, that these other people didn't. Maybe these other people were modeling bad behavior for the dog (not to get into AI safety too much on this post, but "I learned it from watching you" is a real thing). Maybe it was a different sub-breed of pit bull. (Remember the domesticated foxes? Apparently before they tried foxes, they did a trial run with rats, which are smaller and breed faster. But they also tried the opposite of domestication - breeding the rats which disliked humans the most. The result was that the rats attacked humans on sight. The researchers made sure to destroy them all at the end of the experiment, so that their genes wouldn't make it into the general population.)

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I had a several paragraph response typed out when I decided that the tone of your comment (immediately jumping to accusing me of being the exact literal thing I made very clear to point out I was not, despite the fact that I specifically denied the one actual claim that group makes), was the type of thing I was worried about before even posting, and I decided it wasn't worth continuing to engage. I'm not a partisan in this fight and it isn't worth my time. Have a nice day.

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I agree that finding the right policy balance is difficult, and more information would be good. I also think that in general, when there is thing X like this, the argument that uncertain boundaries of X means we can't do anything about X is exactly what I see in other domains with higher stakes. We need to be wiling to risk making both mistakes here.

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Domains with higher stakes, like the potential extinction of the human race, can justify those actions under uncertainty. Although, in the case of the AI analogy, as I understand it many of the proposed actions are suggested because we can be relatively certain that they will do at least one thing that will be helpful: slow things down.

I don't think dog attacks rise anywhere _near_ to the level of AI risk and I think that we are even less certain they will actually have a beneficial effect on the level of "slow things down".

It's a case where the harms of the policy seem relatively obvious and straightforward, and I remain unconvinced of any benefit whatsoever, and the actual level of importance seems quite low.

Under that situation, I don't think that action when we aren't certain is justified.

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Similarly to you, I usually wouldn't engage in this discussion elsewhere, but given it's a case requiring decision-making in the presence of uncertainty, I'd like to think this would be a place where we could cut through the emotional arguments by looking at the numbers.

While I agree with you that better statistics would be helpful, I think this is a case rather like covid in March 2020. By which I mean that the absence of thorough statistical analyses shouldn't mean that we don't take preventative measures.

Since the first person was reported to have been killed by an 'American Bully' in 2021, 10 of the 20 fatal dog attacks are by American Bullies. (If you believe wikipedia)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom#2020%E2%80%93present

There aren't accurate figures on the numbers of American Bullies in the UK, but we can take a conservative upper bound by looking at Staffordshire Bull Terriers, the 4th most popular breed in the UK, which fill a similar niche. According the the Royal Veterinary Council estimates they make up 4.2% of all dogs.

https://www.rvc.ac.uk/Media/Default/VetCompass/Infograms/230727%20Dog%20demography.pdf

As a lower bound we can take the figure estimated by the anti-Bully campaigners Bullywatch (1%).

https://bullywatch.link/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Aug-2023-Breed-Specific-Violence-and-the-American-Bully.pdf

If Bullies are responsible for half of all deaths as reported, that would mean they were between 23 and 99 times more likely to kill than the average dog in the UK. I think this is sufficient justification for a ban until more is known.

If there are 12 million dogs in the UK, these numbers imply that roughly 1 in 50,000 Bullies has killed someone (or 1 in 12,500 if you take the 1% estimate). So while I agree it's probably not true that all these dogs are 'killing machines', I think we can be quite confident they are far more dangerous than other breeds.

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FYI: Katie Herzog from Blocked and Reported did some pretty in depth reporting on this (https://www.blockedandreported.org/p/episode-183-american-bully-x#details and https://www.blockedandreported.org/p/episode-184-oh-god-no-not-this-again#details).

She was generally in favor of Pit Bull bans (she started researching with the assumption that she _would_ support the American Bully XL ban), but she ended up changing her mind and being convinced of the opposite (i.e. that the evidence that American Bully XLs are violent is actually quite weak, there's also evidence that American Bullies were bred to be _less_ violent, at any rate the evidence is not strong enough to support a ban).

She also found out that the topic is extremely toxic and lots of people yell very loudly about it online. I don't have a dog in this fight, but I thought the other side should at least be presented.

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So much to comment on

Re lead: part of the issue is that not every child who is exposed to lead develops lead poisoning. Maybe that should be studied, as a way of finding out how to make people more resistant.

Re dogs: the owners of dangerous dogs are crazy. Nothing short of banning them will stop them.

Re competence: there's also a skill to showing competence and making sure you only use it when it's useful to you. So many people waste energy trying to be perfect at everything. I can do just about anything as a stay at home mother, it's wonderful. Except prescribe medications.

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>Re dogs: the owners of dangerous dogs are crazy. Nothing short of banning them will stop them.

Would you care to explain? How would a "crazy" dog owner make their basset hounds as dangerous as a pit bull?

And placing at least temperorary ban on dog ownership for owners of dogs who have seriously attacked people or other dogs is not a bad idea, but I'm sure you have some reason we shouldn't do that.

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Is the standard as dangerous as a pit bull? A basset hound can certainly bite someone.

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Dog breeding is a poor metaphor for gain-of-function research. In my experience, there are no dangerous breeds, just dangerous, incompetent and evil dog owners.

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So you think that 'evil dog owners' exclusively choose one of only a handful of breeds? Evil people never decide to go for golden retreivers?

And in any case the heritability of behavior in humans range from moderate to extremely high - the idea that breeds that have been selectively bred (i.e. had genes selected for and concentrated within a sub-population) wouldn't display significant heritable differences in behavior between breeds is completely preposterous. I mean, there ARE behavioral differences that align with breed extremely strongly. Do Border Collies make better sheep herding dogs than Labradors purely because of how they're raised? Or do you acknolwedge that categorical behavioral differences exist between breeds that are mostly heritable but somehow aggression conveniently has a heritable of zero?

And then of course there's the obvious anatomical differences - it's simply not possible for some dogs to be physically capable of being as dangerous as others. You're just denying basic biology at this point.

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Obviously stronger dog breeds are potentially more dangerous - who would choose a chihuahua as a guard dog? My contention is that stronger dog breeds pose no public threat if properly trained by decent owners.

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> "Tom Francis speculates that they could still fix this, if and only if they not only fully reverse the fee but they also put into the new EULA that you are allowed to keep current payment terms forever if you keep using the current version of Unity, in a way they can’t back out of later. That does sound both necessary and sufficient here."

Question: Would that actually help at all?

Way I figure it, you stand back and squint your eyes a bit, and basically what happened was in 2019 Unity was like "here is a contract which irrevocably prohibits us from doing a retroactive price increase on previously released titles", followed by the CEO stating this was the case, and then in 2023 they were like "ah but we had special incantations in the contract that made that irrevocability clause null and void, neener neener, here is your retroactive price increase."

If I'm not a trained lawyer, why would I trust in the future that *any* ToS were actually binding on Unity? Because there's language saying so explicitly? Because their CEO claims publicly that the contract is binding? We tried that one already.

"Ah yes, this contract written up by the Fey Folk seems like it's fine, and they can't lie, so I'm just gonna sign it." No! That's a terrible idea!

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I mean we have our own fay folk who can review the text, and courts tend to be ToS-unfriendly in such spots if someone tries to pull a fast one using them. But yes, it's a concern.

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Man, if I have to pay a bunch of lawyers to drag Unity to court I've kinda already lost regardless of the outcome.

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I’d love another round up on parent / kid issues if you are thinking in that area! One topic I’m curious if others have experienced is that off-leash dogs in parks.

I’m not sure how many dog owners are aware of this but there is a good reason parents are scared of dogs: I’d say at least 1/20 dogs is terribly trained and 1/50 is completely batshit insane. So at a park I can’t tell from a distance which your dog is until they decide to run away from you and chase my kid like a fleeing bunny rabbit. Some people even yell “my dog is friendly” as the dog does this, which seems so weird. Like they are surprised their dog loves to chase small people and that parents take offense to this.

As to your post, the idea of people intentionally breeding crazier/meaner dogs seems completely wild to me. Dogs are already quite bizarre if you see enough of them!

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I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about why metrics, broadly, are so bad and yet so popular in upper management culture, don’t have a really good single crystallizable answer but can confirm Marl is also why your pharmacy and healthcare service is bad and getting worse.

A couple interesting additional points on the Unity stuff

-People noticed you could torpedo companies you don’t like by repeatedly installing and uninstalling their games, and indeed people have -already- written scripts to do this automatically at scale.

-There’s also a lot of speculation that this is one of those things where you announce something really really absurdly bad so you can walk part of it back to what you really wanted to do and farm gratitude for not doing the actually evil thing. They do indeed seem to be trying to do something like this but this definitely, clearly going to have backfired spectacularly for obvious nobody-will-ever-seriously-use-this-engine-again reasons.

-A lot of academic programs for aspiring game designers use Unity and are having to switch away from it now. Godot seems to be the common bet now for entry-level open source game engines.

-One of the things they tried to walk back was claiming that they would only charge big publishers or eg Microsoft in the case of stuff like Game Pass, which will both double extra not fly legally but also *encourages publishers to blacklist anyone who uses Unity*.

-Because publisher deals often don’t give revenue to the developer until a certain level of sales it’s possible this could bankrupt individual studios before they’re even paid in revenue for a game they just released.

-The CEO that presided over this decision is an ex-EA guy, to basically nobody’s surprise.

-Epic just surprise laid off 16% of their workforce instead of taking advantage of the situation.

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FYI it was actually the governor of New Mexico, not Arizona.

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>China is not the low wage destination anymore. Taiwan is certainly not. America's issues go far beyond high wages.

The obvious trend for the US is to continue increasing its commercial relationship with mexico, which is already very strong (Mexico's imports to the US half surpassed those from China). Also, Mexico is producing massive amounts of engineers each year, more than the US or Canada.

More on North America's manufacturing: https://youtu.be/rIpPwfMLE-Q?si=N6T62WK4g89zDf4L

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Reason to be doubtful of the Chinese mango massacre:

https://twitter.com/friendly_gecko/status/1703386667741302890

> This is the same account that tweeted that semen extraction factory fetish video that tricked Jordan Peterson, so I'm skeptical.

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Yesterday I was on a site that let you suggest an edit by highlighting some text in a post, and I thought it was surprisingly good design I hadn't seen anywhere else, I'd love for that to be more common. I'm sure that people would abuse it, but if you had even moderate blocking tools, it seems like it could be excellent.

Anyways, the paragraph on "Tobi Lutke meeting strategy" is duplicated.

(Also, I really enjoy and appreciate your roundups in all their varieties, I just wish there was an easy way to note typos/etc without clogging up the comment section or taking away from how much I actually value the post overall)

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Yeah, it would be great if there was a Google docs-style 'suggest correction' option, perhaps for paid subscribers.

Also it would be nice if I had an easy way to update all 3 versions when I fix one of them. Sigh.

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DALY = Disability Adjusted Life Year not daily.

I genuinely had no idea all these people thinking about Rome weren't thinking about those issues in the second last link, that's all I think about when I think of Rome! (other than trying to think of emperor's names, I should maybe ANKI that to save the wasted brain cycles). The emperor who was asked to come back after retiring and responded "if only you could see these cabbages I'm growing!", Claudius surviving by acting stupid when everyone else in his family killed each other, that the Romans make a desert and call it peace... who can remember Russell Crowe among all that.

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I dislike that link, there's a middle ground between being a professor of X and only thinking about its Hollywood version, and it's fine for people to think about and be interested in things without researching all possible weeds.

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Re union strikes, whether unions are willing to work with the companies vs going full scorched earth is one of the things that comes up a lot in lky's "third world to first" as one of the things that separated the Asian economies that did well from the ones that failed.

(Other factors roughly in order of how much impact they seem to have: communism, ethnic strife, corruption, overregulation, welfare. The book is generally a recommended read, at least the parts on domestic politics, the geopolitics parts drag a bit. He's a good writer and very candid, including on the controversial stuff ).

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I love the concept of lightgassing and would like to see more analysis of the social dynamics here. Some of it is probably completely unthinking duckspeak (friend says thing, therefore I say thing even stronger!). Some of it is consciously knowing that, when someone wants to frame herself as a victim, there is a social cost to breaking that frame.

Also Diana Fleischman: https://www.piratewires.com/p/women-online-spaces-relationship-advice

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Re: SMS for 2FA, this is problematic in general but I believe Google Fi is resistant to porting social engineering attacks since changes to your Fi require access to your Google Account. So if you secure your Google Account with two factor (not SMS lol) you may do significantly better than the average for dealing with web sites that refuse to support anything other than SMS 2FA.

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